Butif,saidhe,theindividualisliketheidea,mustnottheideaalsobeliketheindividual,insofarastheindividualisaresemblanceoftheidea?Thatwhichislike,cannotbeconceivedofasotherthanthelikeoflike。
Impossible。
Andwhentwothingsarealike,musttheynotpartakeofthesameidea?
Theymust。
Andwillnotthatofwhichthetwopartake,andwhichmakesthemalike,betheideaitself?
Certainly。
Thentheideacannotbeliketheindividual,ortheindividualliketheidea;foriftheyarealike,somefurtherideaoflikenesswillalwaysbecomingtolight,andifthatbelikeanythingelse,another;andnewideaswillbealwaysarising,iftheidearesemblesthatwhichpartakesofit?
Quitetrue。
Thetheory,thenthatotherthingsparticipateintheideasbyresemblance,hastobegivenup,andsomeothermodeofparticipationdevised?
Itwouldseemso。
Doyouseethen,Socrates,howgreatisthedifficultyofaffirmingtheideastobeabsolute?
Yes,indeed。
And,further,letmesaythatasyetyouonlyunderstandasmallpartofthedifficultywhichisinvolvedifyoumakeofeachthingasingleidea,partingitofffromotherthings。
Whatdifficulty?hesaid。
Therearemany,butthegreatestofallisthis:—Ifanopponentarguesthattheseideas,beingsuchaswesaytheyoughttobe,mustremainunknown,noonecanprovetohimthatheiswrong,unlesshewhodeniestheirexistencebeamanofgreatabilityandknowledge,andiswillingtofollowalongandlaboriousdemonstration;hewillremainunconvinced,andstillinsistthattheycannotbeknown。
Whatdoyoumean,Parmenides?saidSocrates。
Inthefirstplace,Ithink,Socrates,thatyou,oranyonewhomaintainstheexistenceofabsoluteessences,willadmitthattheycannotexistinus。
No,saidSocrates;forthentheywouldbenolongerabsolute。
True,hesaid;andthereforewhenideasarewhattheyareinrelationtooneanother,theiressenceisdeterminedbyarelationamongthemselves,andhasnothingtodowiththeresemblances,orwhatevertheyaretobetermed,whichareinoursphere,andfromwhichwereceivethisorthatnamewhenwepartakeofthem。Andthethingswhicharewithinoursphereandhavethesamenameswiththem,arelikewiseonlyrelativetooneanother,andnottotheideaswhichhavethesamenameswiththem,butbelongtothemselvesandnottothem。
Whatdoyoumean?saidSocrates。
Imayillustratemymeaninginthisway,saidParmenides:—Amasterhasaslave;nowthereisnothingabsoluteintherelationbetweenthem,whichissimplyarelationofonemantoanother。Butthereisalsoanideaofmastershipintheabstract,whichisrelativetotheideaofslaveryintheabstract。Thesenatureshavenothingtodowithus,norwewiththem;theyareconcernedwiththemselvesonly,andwewithourselves。Doyouseemymeaning?
Yes,saidSocrates,Iquiteseeyourmeaning。
Andwillnotknowledge—Imeanabsoluteknowledge—answertoabsolutetruth?
Certainly。
Andeachkindofabsoluteknowledgewillanswertoeachkindofabsolutebeing?
Yes。
Buttheknowledgewhichwehave,willanswertothetruthwhichwehave;andagain,eachkindofknowledgewhichwehave,willbeaknowledgeofeachkindofbeingwhichwehave?
Certainly。
Buttheideasthemselves,asyouadmit,wehavenot,andcannothave?
No,wecannot。
Andtheabsolutenaturesorkindsareknownseverallybytheabsoluteideaofknowledge?
Yes。
Andwehavenotgottheideaofknowledge?
No。
Thennoneoftheideasareknowntous,becausewehavenoshareinabsoluteknowledge?
Isupposenot。
Thenthenatureofthebeautifulinitself,andofthegoodinitself,andallotherideaswhichwesupposetoexistabsolutely,areunknowntous?
Itwouldseemso。
Ithinkthatthereisastrangerconsequencestill。
Whatisit?
Wouldyou,orwouldyounotsay,thatabsoluteknowledge,ifthereissuchathing,mustbeafarmoreexactknowledgethanourknowledge;andthesameofbeautyandoftherest?
Yes。
Andiftherebesuchathingasparticipationinabsoluteknowledge,nooneismorelikelythanGodtohavethismostexactknowledge?
Certainly。
Butthen,willGod,havingabsoluteknowledge,haveaknowledgeofhumanthings?
Whynot?
Because,Socrates,saidParmenides,wehaveadmittedthattheideasarenotvalidinrelationtohumanthings;norhumanthingsinrelationtothem;therelationsofeitherarelimitedtotheirrespectivespheres。
Yes,thathasbeenadmitted。
AndifGodhasthisperfectauthority,andperfectknowledge,hisauthoritycannotruleus,norhisknowledgeknowus,oranyhumanthing;justasourauthoritydoesnotextendtothegods,norourknowledgeknowanythingwhichisdivine,sobyparityofreasonthey,beinggods,arenotourmasters,neitherdotheyknowthethingsofmen。
Yet,surely,saidSocrates,todepriveGodofknowledgeismonstrous。
These,Socrates,saidParmenides,areafew,andonlyafewofthedifficultiesinwhichweareinvolvedifideasreallyareandwedetermineeachoneofthemtobeanabsoluteunity。Hewhohearswhatmaybesaidagainstthemwilldenytheveryexistenceofthem—andeveniftheydoexist,hewillsaythattheymustofnecessitybeunknowntoman;andhewillseemtohavereasononhisside,andaswewereremarkingjustnow,willbeverydifficulttoconvince;amanmustbegiftedwithveryconsiderableabilitybeforehecanlearnthateverythinghasaclassandanabsoluteessence;andstillmoreremarkablewillhebewhodiscoversallthesethingsforhimself,andhavingthoroughlyinvestigatedthemisabletoteachthemtoothers。
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