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第3章

  Butif,saidhe,theindividualisliketheidea,mustnottheideaalsobeliketheindividual,insofarastheindividualisaresemblanceoftheidea?Thatwhichislike,cannotbeconceivedofasotherthanthelikeoflike。
  Impossible。
  Andwhentwothingsarealike,musttheynotpartakeofthesameidea?
  Theymust。
  Andwillnotthatofwhichthetwopartake,andwhichmakesthemalike,betheideaitself?
  Certainly。
  Thentheideacannotbeliketheindividual,ortheindividualliketheidea;foriftheyarealike,somefurtherideaoflikenesswillalwaysbecomingtolight,andifthatbelikeanythingelse,another;andnewideaswillbealwaysarising,iftheidearesemblesthatwhichpartakesofit?
  Quitetrue。
  Thetheory,thenthatotherthingsparticipateintheideasbyresemblance,hastobegivenup,andsomeothermodeofparticipationdevised?
  Itwouldseemso。
  Doyouseethen,Socrates,howgreatisthedifficultyofaffirmingtheideastobeabsolute?
  Yes,indeed。
  And,further,letmesaythatasyetyouonlyunderstandasmallpartofthedifficultywhichisinvolvedifyoumakeofeachthingasingleidea,partingitofffromotherthings。
  Whatdifficulty?hesaid。
  Therearemany,butthegreatestofallisthis:—Ifanopponentarguesthattheseideas,beingsuchaswesaytheyoughttobe,mustremainunknown,noonecanprovetohimthatheiswrong,unlesshewhodeniestheirexistencebeamanofgreatabilityandknowledge,andiswillingtofollowalongandlaboriousdemonstration;hewillremainunconvinced,andstillinsistthattheycannotbeknown。
  Whatdoyoumean,Parmenides?saidSocrates。
  Inthefirstplace,Ithink,Socrates,thatyou,oranyonewhomaintainstheexistenceofabsoluteessences,willadmitthattheycannotexistinus。
  No,saidSocrates;forthentheywouldbenolongerabsolute。
  True,hesaid;andthereforewhenideasarewhattheyareinrelationtooneanother,theiressenceisdeterminedbyarelationamongthemselves,andhasnothingtodowiththeresemblances,orwhatevertheyaretobetermed,whichareinoursphere,andfromwhichwereceivethisorthatnamewhenwepartakeofthem。Andthethingswhicharewithinoursphereandhavethesamenameswiththem,arelikewiseonlyrelativetooneanother,andnottotheideaswhichhavethesamenameswiththem,butbelongtothemselvesandnottothem。
  Whatdoyoumean?saidSocrates。
  Imayillustratemymeaninginthisway,saidParmenides:—Amasterhasaslave;nowthereisnothingabsoluteintherelationbetweenthem,whichissimplyarelationofonemantoanother。Butthereisalsoanideaofmastershipintheabstract,whichisrelativetotheideaofslaveryintheabstract。Thesenatureshavenothingtodowithus,norwewiththem;theyareconcernedwiththemselvesonly,andwewithourselves。Doyouseemymeaning?
  Yes,saidSocrates,Iquiteseeyourmeaning。
  Andwillnotknowledge—Imeanabsoluteknowledge—answertoabsolutetruth?
  Certainly。
  Andeachkindofabsoluteknowledgewillanswertoeachkindofabsolutebeing?
  Yes。
  Buttheknowledgewhichwehave,willanswertothetruthwhichwehave;andagain,eachkindofknowledgewhichwehave,willbeaknowledgeofeachkindofbeingwhichwehave?
  Certainly。
  Buttheideasthemselves,asyouadmit,wehavenot,andcannothave?
  No,wecannot。
  Andtheabsolutenaturesorkindsareknownseverallybytheabsoluteideaofknowledge?
  Yes。
  Andwehavenotgottheideaofknowledge?
  No。
  Thennoneoftheideasareknowntous,becausewehavenoshareinabsoluteknowledge?
  Isupposenot。
  Thenthenatureofthebeautifulinitself,andofthegoodinitself,andallotherideaswhichwesupposetoexistabsolutely,areunknowntous?
  Itwouldseemso。
  Ithinkthatthereisastrangerconsequencestill。
  Whatisit?
  Wouldyou,orwouldyounotsay,thatabsoluteknowledge,ifthereissuchathing,mustbeafarmoreexactknowledgethanourknowledge;andthesameofbeautyandoftherest?
  Yes。
  Andiftherebesuchathingasparticipationinabsoluteknowledge,nooneismorelikelythanGodtohavethismostexactknowledge?
  Certainly。
  Butthen,willGod,havingabsoluteknowledge,haveaknowledgeofhumanthings?
  Whynot?
  Because,Socrates,saidParmenides,wehaveadmittedthattheideasarenotvalidinrelationtohumanthings;norhumanthingsinrelationtothem;therelationsofeitherarelimitedtotheirrespectivespheres。
  Yes,thathasbeenadmitted。
  AndifGodhasthisperfectauthority,andperfectknowledge,hisauthoritycannotruleus,norhisknowledgeknowus,oranyhumanthing;justasourauthoritydoesnotextendtothegods,norourknowledgeknowanythingwhichisdivine,sobyparityofreasonthey,beinggods,arenotourmasters,neitherdotheyknowthethingsofmen。
  Yet,surely,saidSocrates,todepriveGodofknowledgeismonstrous。
  These,Socrates,saidParmenides,areafew,andonlyafewofthedifficultiesinwhichweareinvolvedifideasreallyareandwedetermineeachoneofthemtobeanabsoluteunity。Hewhohearswhatmaybesaidagainstthemwilldenytheveryexistenceofthem—andeveniftheydoexist,hewillsaythattheymustofnecessitybeunknowntoman;andhewillseemtohavereasononhisside,andaswewereremarkingjustnow,willbeverydifficulttoconvince;amanmustbegiftedwithveryconsiderableabilitybeforehecanlearnthateverythinghasaclassandanabsoluteessence;andstillmoreremarkablewillhebewhodiscoversallthesethingsforhimself,andhavingthoroughlyinvestigatedthemisabletoteachthemtoothers。